Archives for category: Leave it cleaner than you found it

Really like the jalapeño cheese bagels at Safeway.

Normally pluck out one or two and they go into a plain paper bag similar to what we carried for school lunches back in the 70s.

Yesterday, these plastic bags were stocked in place of the regular paper ones. I am confused now about what version of bags are meant to be used or avoided based on saving the planet. In the 70s we were taught not to be a litterbug. Recycling was a thing.

The plastic bagel bag was a dandy for cleaning out the cat litter box today. We promise not to throw it all out the window as we blast down the highway, or leave it at the beach next time we go out.

We promise not to leave the bag next to the trail and never go back to pick it up next time we go for a hike.

Possibly of interest:

Leave it cleaner than you found it-

Ultra Lightweight Produce Bags

Give the planet a break and reach for these super lightweight, environmentally-friendly produce bags. Use caution when loading sweet potatoes, ears of corn, bananas, etc. Using two, three or four of the lightweight bags creates enough strength to recreate the use of the old bags that were not OK for the global environment.

Also, be sure to allow plenty of time and patience to pick away at the proper end of the bag in order to try and get it open. Using several bags for a few sweet potatoes requires the attempt at opening the bag steps to be repeated multiple times for the same size produce purchase.

Took a look on the web to see if others were sharing on this topic. No such luck. Independent thinking and blog posts appear to have been scrubbed away. The web is now about trying to sell you stuff.

Possibly of interest:

A local Mom and Pop’s restaurant is still using the banned and evil plastic bags that are best suited for their customers to carry home hot menu selections.

See the bag we were given at the restaurant here:

Happy To See It

 

 

Old Man Blog category:

Thoughts on changes in American culture relating to those born roughly in the late 50s & early 60s.

Original Old Man Blog here: https://oldmanblogdotcom.wordpress.com

New updates here: https://oakbaystarfish.com/category/old-man-blog/

 

Dog lovers take on the responsibility of having a dog.

Dog lovers walk their dogs.

Dog lovers don’t lock their dog outside in cold weather leading to ongoing barking that simulates the sounds of living close to a dog kennel.

Dog lovers don’t expose their dogs to wind chill by placing them in back of an open pickup truck and blasting down the highway in cold weather.


Dog lovers clean up after their pet.

Leave No Trace?

Dog lovers have dogs that are loved and cared for, not dogs that are held outside to bark in the cold while owners are comfy inside.

Dog lovers don’t have a dog because it is a status symbol, an accessory or an impulse buy.




 

Former 1970s Boy Scout. We learned about recycling. We would occasionally take trash bags and go on a hike to collect and bring back trash. Leave it cleaner than you found it was the way.

WA – Green-Friendly?

I have lived in four WA counties over the past 25 years. Kitsap, Jefferson, Island and Grays Harbor.

Each county has its own recycling protocols and locations for drop off. Ditto for household hazardous waste. I tried to learn the ways of each county. Island County was easy and convenient, same for Jefferson County. Kitsap may have improved by now. Imagine, about 20 years ago, an older couple who have lived on Bainbridge Island for decades. They are packing out to move and have a weird collection of old paint thinners, solvents, kerosene, chain saw gas, heating oil, etc. Where to take it? At the time, the county drop off for household hazardous waste was in the Port Orchard area, a 70 mile round trip.

Jefferson County

If you had household hazardous waste you could take it to the big shipyard across from McDonald’s in Port Townsend on scheduled days each month. The attendant would assist in dealing with whatever you had. Easy, satisfying.

Island County

Dump/recycling & household hazardous waste all located together in Coupeville. Attendants present at all times and ready to answer questions. Best recycle drop off I have used in WA.

Grays Harbor County

This county is very much rural. It may be quite a driving distance from wherever you are to other parts of the county. Let’s say you live in Ocean Shores and you want to make a dump run. You are headed to Montesano, a 66 mile round trip. Many of us can go quite a while without any need to visit the dump, so that’s good.

Household Hazardous Waste

What about household hazardous waste? The need would arise more often. Various small batteries, lightbulbs, a small amount of used paint thinner, the battery for a cordless drill, etc.

What about these? Empty? Not empty?

Image source/credit here.

To deal with household hazardous waste, you are headed to Montesano again.

Checking for local info-

City of Ocean Shores web page:

People will speak of the Annual Spring Clean-Up in Ocean Shores

“…no hazardous waste, no paint, no waste oil…”

Back to the propane cylinder above:

PROPERLY USE, TRANSPORT, STORE AND DISPOSE OF YOUR NON-REFILLABLE CYLINDERS

“Each year, tens of millions of non-refillable cylinders and hand torches are sold to tackle projects from plumbing and electrical work to craft making, upcycling, cooking and grilling. CylinderSafe is a resource for anyone looking for information on how to properly use, transport, store or dispose of non-refillable cylinders.”

The web page above will direct you based on what US county you are in. For my location, we are directed to Montesano, but I see no mention of gas cylinders on the county web page.

I sent an email about this on December 2nd.

Dec 3, 2024 reply:

“We accept all propane cylinders at our Hazardous Waste Facility.
We are located at:
29 Gavett Lane
Montesano, WA 98563”

Excellent info and I replied to say thank you.

 

Possibly of interest-

Another Earth Day At Penn Cove

Summer of 2023:

Ocean Shores update

 

 

 

 

 

 

Photo at top of page: One I took a few years back.

A symbol of operating a camera in a public place.

Salmon Season – Whidbey Island – Driftwood Park

 

A few years back – we attended a farmers market in the greater Puget Sound area.

Unaltered image:

 

A local Mom and Pop’s restaurant is still using the banned and evil plastic bags that are best suited for their customers to carry home hot menu selections.

Governments at various levels are now in the habit of setting deadlines for new restrictions, bans and mandates.

Smoking bans, plastic bag bans, gun bans, federal toilet regulations, bottled water bans, mandates on what sort of vehicle you may drive.

All this, while we are told that US military operations in distant lands are somehow linked to American rights and freedoms.

If I was Governor

Business people would make business decisions. I would let restaurant people run restaurants. They have an incentive to keep their customers safe and happy. Health Dept. standards would be in place for restaurants. I would not get involved in fast food or take out packaging regulations. Customers would support or walk away from the businesses of their choosing. Telling small business people they can’t use the traditional bags they prefer doesn’t seem to fit with a society that can’t stop bragging about freedom, thanking the troops for freedoms, fighting wars for freedoms, staging military jet flyovers at sporting events for freedom, etc.

Ultra Lightweight Produce Bags

Give the planet a break and reach for these super lightweight, environmentally-friendly produce bags. Use caution when loading sweet potatoes, ears of corn, bananas, etc. Using two, three or four of the lightweight bags creates enough strength to recreate the use of the old bags that were not OK for the global environment.

Also, be sure to allow plenty of time and patience to pick away at the proper end of the bag in order to try and get it open. Using several bags for a few sweet potatoes requires the attempt at opening the bag steps to be repeated multiple times for the same size produce purchase.

Took a look on the web to see if others were sharing on this topic. No such luck. Independent thinking and blog posts appear to have been scrubbed away. The web is now about trying to sell you stuff.

Don’t Be a Litterbug

I think we’ll use the bag shown at the top of this page to clean out our cat litter box. We will not toss it out the window of our car as we blast down the highway. We will not leave it on the beach. We will bag up our trash and have a proper lid on the trash can. We will pick up trash when we see it blowing through the neighborhood.

Related:

Leave it cleaner than you found it-

Looking Back

Never Understood

 

More here:

Recent Purchase

If I was Governor

Goodbye Free Enterprise System

As Time Goes On

Goodbye Free Enterprise System – Banning Gas Powered Equipment

Consumer Demand Or Government Demand?

Hostile Forces in Distant Lands

Moving Towards A One Size Fits All Society – Climate And Environment

One Size Fits All Society

Freedom Comes And Goes – Joint Chiefs of Staff Play No Part

 

We just watched Daddy’s Home (2015) and Daddy’s Home 2 (2017). Both films include scenes of cars lined up to drop the kids off at school. Much has changed over the past 40 years.

I have no problem with what Moms and Dads want to do. Please don’t tell me it’s a sin to have a disposable plastic water bottle, disposable plastic shopping bag, or an internal combustion vehicle. I promise not to be a litter bug.

In the old days, kids could walk or bike to school. More of the kids were slim and trim back in the 70s when kids had bicycle paper routes after school.

Top generals and politicians have a military recruiting crisis on their hands. They will blame young people who are overweight. They will not blame a DOD brand that is known for decades of undeclared/unwon wars.

When do we get to vote our way out of undeclared/unwon wars?

Okinawa 1980 – The Christmas Tree Story

More here:

America Deserves A Military Recruiting Crisis

Cultural Honesty

 

Ongoing Breakdown of Society

Again, I have no problem with what Moms and Dads want to do. Re: school busses.

Made for TV job stress update:

Preparing students for the real world:

More job stress:

Scary ride:

School field trip update:

Departure from protocols update:

Cameras are rolling:

 

 

 

 

 

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Nowhere near the school drop-off lane.

Whidbey Island

 

Love to see newspeople ask:

When is the last time all of Penn Cove was safe for recreational shellfish harvest?

 

Went to a favorite Asian restaurant yesterday. To go box/containers are made of 1970s style styrofoam. Take out bags are made of plastic.

Feels great. I do not have any fetish about using or going without plastic and styrofoam. That ends when big brother says you can’t/here is a deadline, etc.

 

In recent months-

Visiting/shopping at more than one Puget Sound area military installation:

Plastic bags are still readily available and in use. No extra fees/questions, etc.

Having/wanting a choice on plastic bags does not indicate a disregard for the planet.

 

Governor Inslee,

Please take a look at several Whidbey beaches that remain closed all year long for recreational shellfish harvest because of sewage treatment outfall.

Sewage treatment outfall. Not stormwater. Not climate change.

Reporting on this topic appears to be completely off limits to the press.

View the Washington State Department of Health beach list here.

 

Coupeville

“Clams, mussels and oysters CLOSED year-round.”

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

Newspeople play along by not asking questions.

 

North side of Penn Cove at Monroe Landing

“Clams, mussels and oysters CLOSED year-round.”

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

Has anyone ever seen the Puget Sound area press ask questions about Whidbey water quality impacted by sewage treatment plant outfalls?

 

Oak Harbor

Oak Harbor City Park

“Clams, mussels and oysters CLOSED year-round.”

“Washington Department of Health (DOH) cautions that clams, oysters, and mussels from this beach are not fit for human consumption at any time.”

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

 

More here:

WDFW Monitors Water Quality at Penn Cove

 

Governor Inslee,

Please take a look at:

Closed – WA Interstate 5 Rest Areas

 

Related:

Leave it cleaner than you found it-

Welcome Sportsmen!

 

 

 

 

Photo-

Seen at a Puget Sound area Farmers Market

 

Several years back, I made my first effort to clean the outside of a home that was crying out for it. Got it done without any pressure washing. Started by using a hand held quart sprayer with pre-mixed 30 SECONDS Outdoor Cleaner.

I felt like it worked well. Later, I bought the gallon concentrate and diluted it myself.

Several years later, I have moved on to using a pump sprayer.

Here is a good video to watch before heading out to buy one:

Here is what I ended up buying:

Smith Contractor 190216 2-Gallon Sprayer with Viton 

Happy with the sprayer and it minimizes any need to step on a ladder.

These days, I am mixing my own home brew bleach and detergent solution. The images above were done with the home brew. There are various recipes on the web for mixing your own solution.

For high areas, and to avoid ladder work, I still like the 30 Seconds Outdoor Cleaner garden hose sprayer. This can also be refiled with home brew.

Happy Cleaning

 

I am not a big promoter of Earth Day. Whatever I believe in is mostly present with the same intensity all year long.

I am fascinated with the actions of elected officials and the press on Earth Day.

Politicians promote themselves on Earth Day. Newspeople play along by not asking questions.

Americans do not live in a free and honest society.

In a free and honest society, newspeople would be asking questions related to public policy all of the time.

Voting is highly emphasized in American culture. Asking questions related to public policy takes a lower priority.

Has anyone ever seen the Puget Sound area press ask questions about Whidbey water quality impacted by sewage treatment plant outfalls?

Has anyone ever seen any government agency, elected official or volunteer organization seeking answers related to one or more sewage treatment plants sending unsafe product into the waters near Whidbey Island?

Love to see newspeople ask:

When is the last time all of Penn Cove was safe for recreational shellfish harvest?

 

Background

Several Whidbey beaches remain closed all year long for recreational shellfish harvest because of sewage treatment outfall.

Sewage treatment outfall. Not stormwater.

Reporting on this topic appears to be completely off limits to the press.

View the Washington State Department of Health beach list here.

 

Image at top of page: 4/22/2022

Source/Daily Status Reports: Washington State Department of Health Shellfish Safety Map

Click image to show detail.

 

A photo tour of Penn Cove here:

Wastewater Treatment Plant – Department of Ecology Award For Outstanding Performance

 

Coupeville

“Clams, mussels and oysters CLOSED year-round.”

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

 

North side of Penn Cove at Monroe Landing

“Clams, mussels and oysters CLOSED year-round.”

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

 

Oak Harbor

Oak Harbor City Park

“Clams, mussels and oysters CLOSED year-round.”

“Washington Department of Health (DOH) cautions that clams, oysters, and mussels from this beach are not fit for human consumption at any time.”

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

 

Distance learning idea:

Podcast 4 Another Month With An R – Whidbey Sewage Treatment Plant Outfalls

Whidbey Waters – Mixed Signals of Concern

 

March 13, 2020 Whidbey News-Times

4th grade students publish book on Salish Sea

“Invisible Pollution in the Salish Sea”

School teachers,

Are you teaching your students to look for green colors on the Recreational Shellfish Safety Map?

 

More here:

Anacortes – Stormwater is Rainwater

“Storm drains discharge directly into the surrounding waters, they do not lead to the wastewater treatment plant.”

Oak Harbor, WA

Storm Drain

This “surface” water is separate from that which enters the sanitary sewer and is treated by the City’s Wastewater Treatment Plant.”

Related:

Saratoga Passage Marine Stewardship Area – Any News Coverage?

Awards Have Been Awarded

Love To See Newspeople Ask:

Stormwater, Untreated Sewage and Puget Sound

Local Waters

Earth Day Progress Report

Local Waters And The Puget Sound Area Press

High Quality Water For Puget Sound? – Recreational Shellfish Harvesting CLOSED Year-Round

Signs

“…talking to officials at the Town of Coupeville…”

Whidbey Signs of Water Quality

When Things Get Back To Normal

4 Stories The Puget Sound Press Will Not Question Or Report On

 

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Watched this movie the other night:

Dark Waters

 

Jan. 6, 2016 The New York Times

The Lawyer Who Became DuPont’s Worst Nightmare

 

March 12, 2021 Whidbey News-Times

Navy to send letters to farms warning of chemicals in groundwater

“The chemical compounds known as PFAS were found years ago in groundwater at levels above the EPA’s lifetime health advisory limit.”

“Farms near Naval Air Station Whidbey Island’s Ault Field and Outlying Field Coupeville will likely be among those notified as the chemical compounds known as PFAS were found years ago in groundwater surrounding those installations at levels above the EPA’s lifetime health advisory limit.”

“Notification packets will include a letter from the base commanding officer, a copy of the law and the range of levels for PFOA, PFOS, and/or PFBS found in groundwater.”

 

Washington State Department of Ecology

“PFAS are a large group of perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl substances. These manufactured chemicals never disappear from the environment, which is why they’re called “forever chemicals.” Some of them build up in people and the environment.”

“They are used to make coatings and products resistant to oil and water, or to reduce friction. They are added to carpets, cookware, food packaging, clothing, cosmetics, and other common consumer products. PFAS also have many industrial applications and are used to make certain types of firefighting foams.”

“PFAS contamination has been found in drinking water wells in Airway Heights, North Whidbey Island, Issaquah, and at Joint Base Lewis-McChord above EPA’s health advisory level.”

 

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Photo- Slow speed mayhem

 

Possibly of interest:

Several Whidbey beaches remain closed all year long for recreational shellfish harvest because of sewage treatment outfall.

Sewage treatment outfall. Not stormwater.

Reporting on this topic appears to be completely off limits to the press.

View the Washington State Department of Health beach list here.

Updated daily: Washington State Department of Health Shellfish Safety Map

Related:

Local Waters

A photo tour of Penn Cove here:

Wastewater Treatment Plant – Department of Ecology Award For Outstanding Performance

 

Distance learning idea:

Podcast 4 Another Month With An R – Whidbey Sewage Treatment Plant Outfalls

Whidbey Waters – Mixed Signals of Concern

 

More here:

Local Waters And The Puget Sound Area Press

Stormwater, Untreated Sewage and Puget Sound

Last year:

Whidbey Earth Day

 

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On occaision, in my adult life, I have done some volunteer work. Many years ago I was a volunteer at the San Dieguito River Park. I stayed with that until I moved away from the area. Years ago, I volunteered to set up and maintain a fish tank at an elementary school library in Kitsap County.

Minimal, short-term, anonymous, unscheduled and spontaneous effort can feel positive too.

Good memories form all this and on the lookout to do more as time goes on.

 

An idea for some music in the background:

Abalone

 

 

 

 

 

Photo at top of page:

Watching the waves at Point Partridge

 

Never understood the concept of:

Packing along a bag to cleanup after the dog.

Using the bag to cleanup after the dog.

Setting the bag down next to the trail & walking off.

Starting the Bluff Trail:

Arriving at the beach near Perego’s Lagoon and looking back up the trail:

Image source:

Google Images

Related:

Leave No Trace?

Shut Off The TV And Get Outside For A Bit

 

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Local info:

Two Bluff Trails

 

March 25, 2020 KREM

Gov. Inslee signs Washington plastic bag ban into law

“The legislation bans retailers from giving out single-use plastic carryout bags and requires an 8-cent charge for others. It goes into effect on Jan. 1, 2021.”

 

March 26, 2020 The Inlander

Rosauers is banning reusable bags, putting up Plexiglas, to protect employees and customers

“Plexiglas shields Rosauers clerks from sneezing customers, while a sign informs customers that they aren’t allowed to bring their own reusable bags.”

As of today at our stores, we’re going to suspend the use of reusable bags,” Rosauers CEO Jeff Philipps said at a Spokane Regional Health District press conference this morning. “I think there’s some concern by some that those bags may have viruses that are being brought from home. So we’re going to suspend that practice.”

 

If we’re going to show concern about the environment, maybe take a look at local water quality impacted by sewage treatment plant outfalls.

One or more sewage treatment plants are sending unsafe product into Penn Cove?

Coupeville

Love to see newspeople provide updated reporting on this:

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

 

North side of Penn Cove at Monroe Landing

“This beach is within the closure area for a sewage treatment plant outfall and is unsafe for recreational shellfish harvesting.”

Source: WDFW

Is the sewage treatment plant is sending unsafe product into Penn Cove?

Reporting on this topic appears to be completely off limits to the press.

I’d be more interested in paying (again) for a local paper subscription if there was more in the way of investigative reporting & newspeople asking questions.

 

I’m a fan of voluntary action and allowing businesspeople to make business decisions.

If the green friendly cafe wants to make moves that are supported by their customers, I’m all for that.

If the truck stop wants to sell discount cartons of cigarettes, I’m good with that.

Americans were never meant to live in a one size fits all society, that’s why we have so many churches here and people who may opt out on attending services.

The plastic bag ban is another of many examples where freedoms may come & go-completely unrelated to military operations/US Troops in distant lands, or the Sound of Freedom.

More here:

Leave No Trace?

Welcome Sportsmen!

Leave it cleaner than you found it-

Mini volunteer project-

One Size Fits All Society

Maybe Get Away From The Bragging About Freedom?

The US Armed Forces – A Giant Civil Rights Organization?

 

 

Oct 24th update:

This unit has been removed. Well done.

 

Really a great area out here. Love to see it cared for.

When the name of the Keystone Ferry was changed to attract visitors to the area, did that energy extend towards maintaining public spaces adjacent to Penn Cove and the Kettles Roadside Trail?

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Just down the road from this handsome sign. A 9/28/19 image of an abandoned/vandalized RV on county property at Hwy 20 and Libbey Road. RV has been in place for more than a month.

More here:

Ferry Traffic Leaving Coupeville Terminal Routed Away From Coupeville

A few towns obviously have people who work together to set priorities and make a positive impression for visitors:

Nice & Tidy

 

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Training ordnance got away from us:

Sep 5th, 2018 Port Townsend Leader

Navy investigation of mine complete

“Murray explained that it was unknown at the time if the mine was inert, so it could not safely be towed to shore for further assessment, although she added the mine was towed to a location “determined to be safest to the immediate population” for this operation.”

 

Urinals and toilets routed into Sinclair Inlet:

Sept. 7th, 2018 Kitsap Sun

Navy reports 450,000-gallon sewage spill over two years in Bremerton

Urinals and toilets routed to stormwater system rather than wastewater system. Sewage then “…flowed through the underground pipes to an outfall and into Sinclair Inlet, Leppard said.”

More here.

Possibly of interest: Temporary Kitsap Wastewater Spill

 

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Photo above: Approaching the beach at Fort Ebey.

Some version of this scene is pretty common. I mostly don’t post about it. Once in a while- maybe it’s a good reminder. Maybe just a way to vent a little.

 

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I have nothing against sportsmen, just like I have nothing against picnics or target shooting.

 

Related:

Pack it out- good intentions

 

 

 

 

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Whidbey Island- Driftwood Park

 

Before-

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DSC_0013This errand took just a few minutes of my time.
Volunteers work the park all year- mowing lawns, & clearing and grooming trails.

Thanks go out to them.

 

Possibly related:

Pack it out- good intentions

Leave it cleaner than you found it-

 

Heading to a safe place in the hills, spending a couple of hours shooting at tin cans, cleaning up the trash and heading home. What Fun.

 

My ideal plinking spot is safe, clean & not too popular.

For years I made use of a spot like this on public land. Recently, the road into the area has been gated.

 

I have moved on to using some of the more popular areas. People are in the habit of leaving their trash behind in these spots.

I went up recently not for shooting, but to do a little cleanup at a spot that was crying out for it.

Planning another trash run soon.

10/17/12 Another trash run-

5/7/13 Another trash run-

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A few years back- some of our Washington State Parks removed the trash cans that were traditional at the parks.

Mystery Bay is one such location.

Mystery Bay is not a remote location where the policy applies to hiking trails or primitive campsites. Mystery Bay is just down the road from a full service state park- Fort Flagler.

Mystery Bay has a picnic shelter which is fully accessible by car. Boats pay to stay overnight.

Mystery Bay charges $10 per day, per car to access the park:

“The Discover Pass – your ticket to Washington’s great outdoors”

I do not object in any way to pack it out policies for remote locations, islands, hiking trails, primitive campsites, etc.

My feeling is that state parks that are accessible by car, have picnic shelters and charge for day use should provide trash service.

Cat box theory- make it easy for people to do the right thing and most people will.

 

People are supposed to clean up after their dogs. If they stay for 3 nights on their boat- are they supposed to tow a refrigerated dog crap container to pack it out? Pack it out to where?

If a person rents a car and travels the US for a couple weeks- where are they supposed to pack it out to?

 

Our local county parks do not charge a day fee and are having trouble staying on top of trash which exceeds the capacity of their trash cans. Are people avoiding the state day use fee or no trash policy by leaving trash at a county park?

 

I traveled to Potlatch State Park a couple summers ago. The traditional trash cans had been replaced with a pack it out policy. A trip to the restroom revealed 2 trash cans worth of trash stacked around the trash can in the restroom.

 

Additional state parks rants:

No soap in restrooms. People live in parks for days at a time- preparing food, hosting family reunions, etc. Soap in the restrooms is the way to go.

 

Discover Pass costs $5.00 extra when purchased online?

How does this $5.00 fee make any sense?

 

10 day temporary Discover Pass (provided as a receipt for online purchase) displays all drivers license info- to be seen by the general public when placed on your dash?

Why must this personal info be displayed on a temporary parking pass?