Out to Green Lantern State Park for a 3 hour walk with a short break. We made a loop out to Copalis River Spit & back.
Conner Creek:
On the trail:
Breezy
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Above: Part of an old 7 Up bottle.
Some sort of history here:
Breezy out there:
Big driftwood:
Several years of beachcombing:
Above: Approved Flag Images
A symbol of the propaganda that makes it all work.
Both major parties push things to the extreme.
People get burnt the fuck out on politics after a while.
Look the other way and get ready to celebrate USA 250.
Armed Forces Recruiting – 1980s
Part of what made it work:
In past decades, people could do time in uniform, then return to the US with a feeling that they were living in the best country on the planet.
They believed it and their parents and grandparents believed it.
Those who did may have wished to hand down a better version of the modern American society to their kids and grandkids.
Today-
Standards have deteriorated. The troops return to an ongoing breakdown of society.
Both major parties have taken turns in power over the past 40 years or so. For sure, there is a chunk of public policy that has become worse, not better.
Emergency/crisis/chaos mode is what we get now.
Possibly of interest:
The US should maintain strong and ready military forces.
In some cases, the US Armed Forces provide for our security. That’s as good as it gets.
In terms of American rights and freedoms, the Dept. of Defense has no more say than the Dept. of Agriculture.
Concerns here are much less about WWII and before. Much more about the US Dept. of Defense era.
The US Dept. of Defense was created in the late 1940s.
DOD has a long history with undeclared wars.
Decades after the lessons of Vietnam, it feels like the people who run the Pentagon specialize in undeclared/unwon wars. The DOD brand has been wrecked.
Democracy Nonsense
If we live in a democracy (many people say so), when do we vote on decades of undeclared/unwon DOD wars?
The Department of Defense track record goes back to 1949.
Look for newspeople and school teachers to ask zero questions in these areas.
Don’t lie to people and maybe they would be more patriotic.
Department of War/DOD & Armistice Day
Each November, school teachers across America host Veterans Day assemblies– and promote the idea to children that The Troops are in distant lands-fighting for American rights and freedoms-as if the US Armed Forces function as some sort of giant civil rights organization.
In Washington State, these assemblies are mandatory.
The VA tells teachers that The Troops are Defending Liberty and Freedom.
In the 60s & 70s I never attended a Veterans Day assembly at school.
There were none.
Probably enough veterans around to remove most of the mystique, or maybe those veterans thought it was all just an average thing and did not want to be seen as a separate part of American society, or get head of the line parking spots over at the grocery store. Maybe the concept of Armistice Day had not gone completely extinct.
Growing up in the 60s & 70s- veterans were all around- church, school, Boy Scout leaders, family, the neighborhood, etc. It was all just an average thing. These folks weren’t seen as a separate part of American society.
People weren’t stepping over to say “Thanks for your service” to my Dad- who did time in the Navy in the 50s- but looked just like anyone else out in public.
These guys weren’t lining up for free dinner promotions marketed by major restaurant chains.
Decades after the lessons of Vietnam, the Pentagon seems to specialize in undeclared/unwon wars.
Both major parties are OK with federal prohibition of alcohol and tobacco for adults age 18-20.
No such thing the day I graduated from high school.
That was before decades of military operations for your freedoms.
Both major political parties are now OK with treating 18-20 year old adults as second-class citizens.
Why do elected officials and high level DOD civilians speak of the US Armed Forces as if they function as some sort of giant civil rights organization?
Any elected official or retired elected official who tells us The Troops were sent to protect American rights and freedoms needs to explain how those rights and freedoms are any different today because US troops were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Macho Swagger
Watch Secretary of War Pete Hegseth takes thrilling fighter jet ride with ‘Top-Gun’ pilots:
Since 1986 Top Gun:
The US Dept. of Defense was nowhere to be found on 911.
We haven’t won a war since.
Related:
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
National Military Appreciation Month
The Department of Defense was established in 1949. What part of DOD history involved US troops sent to locations where the constitution was threatened?
Take An Oath To The Constitution
No one who has done time in an average military unit would be comfortable with everyone present being called a hero. Some units would be the exception, but for most people who have done time over the years, calling everyone a hero would have no connection to reality.
Reality, and an honest understanding of why we send The Troops to far away places isn’t what we’re about though.
Fantasy: Honor the troops in honest, respectful and proper ways.
It feels like a society where honest and meaningful ideas stand up to questioning and discussion, but the questioning and discussion rarely takes place.
US Troops were sent into life and death situations in the aftermath of 911.
For this reason it is important to ask questions and develop a feel for what is real and what is honest.
Is The Freedom Talk Just For Federal Holidays & Overseas Military Operations?
I.A.M. Free – Inland Auditing Media
Long Island Audit Clips
Flex Your Freedoms
Operating A Camera In A Public Place
Amagansett Press
Tyrant Terminator Audits!!!
First Amendment Guardians
Public Records Request
It is very common that public offices in various states will say something like: Go to our website to submit your public records request online.
They would prefer the person with the camera leave the office as soon as possible.
It is common in various states that open records laws allow the public records request to be submitted in person orally or in writing and that the public records request may be made anonymously.
Public records laws set up an open door policy for people to go and interact in person with government offices and agencies during normal business hours at public offices.
Tyrant Terminator Audits!!! is a favorite channel where he has explained all this over and again in public offices.
The US should maintain strong and ready military forces.
In some cases, the US Armed Forces provide for our security. That’s as good as it gets.
In terms of American rights and freedoms-The Dept. of Defense has no more say than the Dept. of Agriculture.
Legal marijuana, concealed carry of handguns, semi automatic rifle sales, federal minimum drinking age, federal toilet regulations, sports betting, federal gas can regulations/free enterprise system, web censorship, voting rights, bump stock ban, interracial marriage, gay marriage, tobacco sales, open container laws, etc.
American freedoms come and go.
None of the above are linked in any way with The Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Troops, The Dept. of Defense or the outcome of military operations overseas.
School children are taught about a free enterprise system. They grow up to find out that the federal government will tell them what kind of shower head they must install in the bathroom, and what type of gas can they must buy for their lawn mower.
Both major parties are OK with federal prohibition of alcohol and tobacco for adults age 18-20.
No such thing the day I graduated from high school.
That was before decades of military operations for your freedoms.
Both major political parties are now OK with treating 18-20 year old adults as second-class citizens.
Why do elected officials and high level DOD civilians speak of the US Armed Forces as if they function as some sort of giant civil rights organization?
More here:
Operating A Camera In A Public Place
Various big companies will remind us that they support veterans and The Troops. Always wonder if any of those companies advocate for less in the way of undeclared/unwon wars. Maybe these big companies are more about expanding their marketing footprint.
Do traditional veterans organizations advocate for less in the way of undeclared/unwon wars? Would a move in this direction attract more new members?
Have any newspeople ever asked about this?
Recent Email
“Together, let’s remember and honor the brave men and women who gave their lives in service to our country. We honor their courage and give thanks for their sacrifice.”
The marketing department left out the word freedom. This is a good thing.
The US should maintain strong and ready military forces.
In some cases, the US Armed Forces provide for our security. That’s as good as it gets.
In terms of American rights and freedoms-The Dept. of Defense has no more say than the Dept. of Agriculture.
Now, get on down to visit your local loan officer to see what sort of new loan contract you can qualify for.
Possibly of interest:
New Patriotism
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
February Patriotism
Growing Up In The Cold War Era
National Military Appreciation Month
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
The Department of Defense was established in 1949. What part of DOD history involved US troops sent to locations where the constitution was threatened?
Take An Oath To The Constitution
No one who has done time in an average military unit would be comfortable with everyone present being called a hero. Some units would be the exception, but for most people who have done time over the years, calling everyone a hero would have no connection to reality.
Reality, and an honest understanding of why we send The Troops to far away places isn’t what we’re about though.
Fantasy: Honor the troops in honest, respectful and proper ways.
It feels like a society where honest and meaningful ideas stand up to questioning and discussion, but the questioning and discussion rarely takes place.
US Troops were sent into life and death situations in the aftermath of 911.
For this reason it is important to ask questions and develop a feel for what is real and what is honest.
US flag is out. Monday is a stormy day here.
Ribs are on the Weber at 0836.
Armistice Day is on our mind all year here.
Time for the lighter side now.
My BBQ reputation would have been better if I was doing this style some years back:
Serving suggestion:
Possibly of interest:
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
Photo:
Washington Coast – The North Beach
When the time is right, the top of Mount Rainier is visible from this cam:
Westport – coastal weather cam here.
Patriotism for me is about what went on in the last century.
I plan to fly the flag on Sunday & Monday.
I finished my time in the Marines in 1999 with a solid attitude and a patriotic spirit. The US should maintain strong and ready military forces.
It all seems a bit meaningless now.
Played no role in preventing the catastrophic military failure of 911.
Played no role in preventing the undeclared/unwon wars that followed.
Democracy Nonsense
If we live in a democracy (many people say so), when do we vote on decades of undeclared/unwon DOD wars?
The Department of Defense track record goes back to 1949.
Look for newspeople and school teachers to ask zero questions in these areas.
Don’t lie to people and maybe they would be more patriotic.
Department of War/DOD & Armistice Day
Each November, school teachers across America host Veterans Day assemblies– and promote the idea to children that The Troops are in distant lands-fighting for American rights and freedoms-as if the US Armed Forces function as some sort of giant civil rights organization.
In Washington State, these assemblies are mandatory.
The VA tells teachers that The Troops are Defending Liberty and Freedom.
“…U.S. soldiers who have died in America’s foreign wars and foreign interventions have done so in defense of our rights and freedoms. It is a message that can be heard at sporting events, memorial services, airports, churches, and everywhere else that anyone will listen.”
The US should maintain strong and ready military forces.
In some cases, the US Armed Forces provide for our security. That’s as good as it gets.
In terms of American rights and freedoms-The Dept. of Defense has no more say than the Dept. of Agriculture.
Decades after the lessons of Vietnam, it feels like the people who run the Pentagon specialize in undeclared/unwon wars. The DOD brand has been wrecked.
Both major parties are OK with federal prohibition of alcohol and tobacco for adults age 18-20.
No such thing the day I graduated from high school.
That was before decades of military operations for your freedoms.
In the 60s & 70s I never attended a Veterans Day assembly at school.
There were none.
Probably enough veterans around to remove most of the mystique, or maybe those veterans thought it was all just an average thing and did not want to be seen as a separate part of American society, or get head of the line parking spots over at the grocery store. Maybe the concept of Armistice Day had not gone completely extinct.
Growing up in the 60s & 70s- veterans were all around- church, school, Boy Scout leaders, family, the neighborhood, etc. It was all just an average thing. These folks weren’t seen as a separate part of American society.
People weren’t stepping over to say “Thanks for your service” to my Dad- who did time in the Navy in the 50s- but looked just like anyone else out in public.
These guys weren’t lining up for free dinner promotions marketed by major restaurant chains.
Decades after the lessons of Vietnam, the Pentagon seems to specialize in undeclared/unwon wars.
Several years back, I started the Old Man Blog category. It involves thoughts on changes in American culture relating to those born roughly in the late 50s & early 60s.
Original Old Man Blog here: https://oldmanblogdotcom.wordpress.com
New updates here: https://oakbaystarfish.com/category/old-man-blog/
Related:
Growing Up In The Cold War Era
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
National Military Appreciation Month
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
The Department of Defense was established in 1949. What part of DOD history involved US troops sent to locations where the constitution was threatened?
Take An Oath To The Constitution
No one who has done time in an average military unit would be comfortable with everyone present being called a hero. Some units would be the exception, but for most people who have done time over the years, calling everyone a hero would have no connection to reality.
Reality, and an honest understanding of why we send The Troops to far away places isn’t what we’re about though.
Fantasy: Honor the troops in honest, respectful and proper ways.
It feels like a society where honest and meaningful ideas stand up to questioning and discussion, but the questioning and discussion rarely takes place.
US Troops were sent into life and death situations in the aftermath of 911.
For this reason it is important to ask questions and develop a feel for what is real and what is honest.
“We’re supposed to believe that any commitment of troops to a battlefield constitutes protection of freedom and that’s all there is to it. It’s considered ungrateful, if not disloyal, to even wonder if a particular war really had anything to do with protecting freedom.”
May 31, 2013
From Reddit:
Elected officials and high level DOD civilians speak of the US Armed Forces as if they function as some sort of giant civil rights organization.
Again, look for newspeople and school teachers to ask zero questions in these areas.
About a two hour walk in wet fog.
Washington Coast – The North Beach
When the time is right, the top of Mount Rainier is visible from this cam:
Westport – coastal weather cam here.
Looking over the jetty that connects to the former Damon Point recreation area:
Never collect or burn driftwood.
The era of newspeople not asking questions brings on private citizens who go out and ask questions.
Instead of waiting for school teachers to teach about individual rights and limited government authority, waiting on the press to ask questions, or courts to handle cases, these guys go out and update us with a quick reality check.
These guys were also never waiting on the overthrow of Saddam Hussein or the take down of any other bad guy in distant lands, as DOD defends the constitution, etc.
Maybe they are tired of being lied to.
I.A.M. Free – Inland Auditing Media
Public Records Request
It is very common that public offices in various states will say something like: Go to our website to submit your public records request online.
They would prefer the person with the camera leave the office as soon as possible.
It is common in various states that open records laws allow the public records request to be submitted in person orally or in writing and that the public records request may be made anonymously.
Public records laws set up an open door policy for people to go and interact in person with government offices and agencies during normal business hours at public offices.
Tyrant Terminator Audits!!! is a favorite channel where he has explained all this over and again in public offices.
Tyrant Terminator Audits!!!
More here:
Operating A Camera In A Public Place
Photo-
Symbol of the American mainstream press over the past 30 years.
Welcome Visitors
Rent yourself a State Parks buoy at Fort Worden
Voted best consumer value in weekend recreation.
Above: Approved Flag Images
A symbol of the propaganda that makes it all work.
Democracy Now!
We were told we needed to send troops to Vietnam. Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Some may have become skeptical along the way.
Don’t lie to people and maybe they would be more patriotic.
What makes elected officials believe we have some sort of 1950s crop of citizens now who would comply with a draft?
Has the US ever won an undeclared war using a draft?
Armed Forces Day
“The first observance took place May 20, 1950…”
At about this time, the US Dept. of Defense began a decades long tradition of not being able to stay out of or win undeclared wars in distant lands.
Related:
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
National Military Appreciation Month
“…Gen Z is the least likely generation to enlist…”
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
Vortex IPA – Fort George Brewery
Astoria, Oregon
The beer photo fetish page features a true grab bag of different beer styles and brands. We’ve been at it since 2012.
Possibly of interest:
Green/Clear Beer Bottle Myths?
Part Two – Green/Clear Beer Bottle Myths?
They can be seen on the Westport waterfront cam here.
Above: Approved Flag Images
A symbol of the propaganda that makes it all work.
Good News For New College Graduates & Families
Tough job market awaits class of 2026, but experts have advice for new grads
by Cory Smith – The National News Desk
May 13, 2026
“It might be harder than usual, but hard doesn’t mean impossible,” said David Prisco, the director of the Center for Career Readiness at Drexel University. “So, for students, perseverance is going to be key.”
Armed Forces Recruiting – 1980s
Part of what made it work:
In past decades, people could do time in uniform, then return to the US with a feeling that they were living in the best country on the planet.
They believed it and their parents and grandparents believed it.
Those who did may have wished to hand down a better version of the modern American society to their kids and grandkids.
Today-
Standards have deteriorated. The troops return to an ongoing breakdown of society.
Both major parties have taken turns in power over the past 40 years or so. For sure, there is a chunk of public policy that has become worse, not better.
Emergency/crisis/chaos mode is what we get now.
Several years back, I started the Old Man Blog category. It involves thoughts on changes in American culture relating to those born roughly in the late 50s & early 60s.
Original Old Man Blog here: https://oldmanblogdotcom.wordpress.com
New updates here: https://oakbaystarfish.com/category/old-man-blog/
Possibly of interest:
“…Gen Z is the least likely generation to enlist…”
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
Above: A view from Westport, WA – March, 2025
What’s Going on With Shipping?
Completely Unrelated
All is well:
WatchlistTYT
Any elected official or retired elected official who tells us The Troops were sent to protect American rights and freedoms needs to explain how those rights and freedoms are any different today because US troops were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Dave Smith
Possibly of interest:
“…Gen Z is the least likely generation to enlist…”
Take An Oath To The Constitution
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
National Military Appreciation Month
Photo-
Point Wilson scene
Sentinel
Related:
Photo-
Something from the last century
Post-Vietnam guilt
The guilt doesn’t seem to work towards staying out of undeclared/unwon wars, maintaining the barracks or managing federal contracts related to TRICARE.
A giant flag ritual at the next ball game will make it all good.
We were on foot for about two hours.
Below: Click image once or twice to show detail.
Circa 1982 daypack:
Rare WA state park sign:
We saw several tent campers today at Lake Sylvia State Park.
This was a really great setting and I was very happy to know that tent camping lives on.
The whole area is a throwback to the last century. Love it.
We were out tent camping a few years back.
More here:
Possibly related:
Several years back, I started the Old Man Blog category. It involves thoughts on changes in American culture relating to those born roughly in the late 50s & early 60s.
Original Old Man Blog here: https://oldmanblogdotcom.wordpress.com
New updates here: https://oakbaystarfish.com/category/old-man-blog/
Above: Approved Flag Images
A symbol of the propaganda that makes it all work.
In The News
US Gen Z, Young Millennials Less Patriotic Than Older Generations: Poll
Newsweek
May 12, 2026
I am in the oldest group and my patriotism is at an all time low.
I finished my time in the Marines in 1999 with a solid attitude and a patriotic spirit. The US should maintain strong and ready military forces.
The USA has taken a dive in the post 911 era.
From 2004
“Today, however, the Congress has relinquished its delegated powers, giving the President license to do whatever he and his office determine that they can get away with. Consequentially, the presidential and legislative oaths to the Constitution have just turned into a great photo op on inauguration day.”
“It is a sad and hard realization for a grunt who loves the Marine Corps to admit that the organization is not used in the preservation of liberty, and has not been used toward that end for a very long time.”
Source:
By Casey Khan
February 14, 2004
Mainstream Media Functions Like Paid Actors Reading A Script
Americans do not live in a free and honest society. Today, the mainstream media will function like paid actors reading a script:
Would any newsperson ever ask:
Did the advantage of US air power allow the undeclared wars in Iraq or Afghanistan to be prevented, won or shut down?
US jet aircraft have been able to strike targets in what wars won by the US?
Currently serving four-star officers and high level DOD civilians have been associated with what wars won by the US?
Armed Forces Recruiting – 1980s
Part of what made it work:
In past decades, people could do time in uniform, then return to the US with a feeling that they were living in the best country on the planet.
They believed it and their parents and grandparents believed it.
Those who did may have wished to hand down a better version of the modern American society to their kids and grandkids.
Today-
Standards have deteriorated. The troops return to an ongoing breakdown of society.
Both major parties have taken turns in power over the past 40 years or so. For sure, there is a chunk of public policy that has become worse, not better.
Emergency/crisis/chaos mode is what we get now.
Macho Swagger
Watch Secretary of War Pete Hegseth takes thrilling fighter jet ride with ‘Top-Gun’ pilots:
Since 1986 Top Gun:
The US Dept. of Defense was nowhere to be found on 911.
We haven’t won a war since.
Decades after the lessons of Vietnam, it feels like the people who run the Pentagon specialize in undeclared/unwon wars. Is it understandable that young people and their parents and grandparents would take a dim view on all this?
Lies About Freedom
It’s all about freedom folks.
Biden honors Americans who ‘stood on the front lines of freedom’ in Veterans Day remarks
CNN Nov 11, 2023
Sorry, no newspeople available to ask:
Mr President,
How would American freedoms and the Constitution be any different today if US troops were never sent to Iraq way back in 1991?
Look for newspeople and school teachers to ask zero questions in this area.
Don’t lie to people and maybe they would be more patriotic.
Both major parties are OK with federal prohibition of alcohol and tobacco for adults age 18-20.
No such thing the day I graduated from high school.
That was before decades of military operations for your freedoms.
Both major political parties are now OK with treating 18-20 year old adults as second-class citizens.
Good luck with your US Armed Forces recruiting crisis.
Several years back, I started the Old Man Blog category. It involves thoughts on changes in American culture relating to those born roughly in the late 50s & early 60s.
Original Old Man Blog here: https://oldmanblogdotcom.wordpress.com
New updates here: https://oakbaystarfish.com/category/old-man-blog/
Related:
“…Gen Z is the least likely generation to enlist…”
Take An Oath To The Constitution
The people of Alaska need services in the Middle East
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
Blowing up suspected drug boat crews, bold PR statements from Kristi Noem, sealed borders, REAL ID mandates, designating cartels as terrorist organizations, DHS guarding Super Bowls, US troops at the border and the Seattle drug situation appears to be no different in May of 2026 than it was under Biden.
The Fantasy Newsperson Asks
If Kristi Noem tells us on Feb 4, 2026 that the border is secure, how are drugs still coming in?
Standard newspeople remain silent.
In The News
Homeowners near Sandel Park call for enforcement over drug activity stemming from RVs
by Tyler Cunnington – KOMO News
May 10, 2026
Many comments are posted above and below.
KOMO News
May10, 2026
Welcome Home Troops
Thanks for doing time/risking your ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, working to keep a post 911 USA safe & secure.
Don’t worry-The Super Bowl and public affairs will be safe:
Seattle street videos here:
Why It Matters
Americans were told that they faced a life and death situation after 911. If certain actions were not taken, terrorists could come to America to disrupt our way of life and attempt another 911.
If all this was a life and death situation that required sending the troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, wouldn’t it be important to ask a few public policy questions about what was going on?
Newspeople have a long history of not asking questions in this area.
More here:
Sealed Borders Fail to Keep Drugs Out
The era of newspeople not asking questions brings on private citizens who go out and ask questions.
Instead of waiting for school teachers to teach about individual rights and limited government authority, waiting on the press to ask questions, or courts to handle cases, these guys go out and update us with a quick reality check.
These guys were also never waiting on the overthrow of Saddam Hussein or the take down of any other bad guy in distant lands, as DOD defends the constitution, etc.
Maybe they are tired of being lied to.
KULT NEWS
KULT NEWS
Bank computer screen exposed to the public at 12:26 below:
More here:
Operating A Camera In A Public Place
Possibly of interest:
Sealed Borders Fail to Keep Drugs Out
Photo: One I took a few years back.
A symbol of operating a camera in a public place.
Salmon Season – Whidbey Island – Driftwood Park
Above: Beachcombing – Pacific Coast
Sealed borders still unable to keep drugs out of local communities:
In The News
Much federal work over the past 12 months to keep drugs out.
Mountlake Terrace overdose death leads to two arrests
By Ian Davis-Leonard – The Everett Herald
May 7, 2026
More here:
Sealed Borders Fail to Keep Drugs Out
Something Needs To Be Done
Maybe YouTube needs to be shut down in order to stop discussion of various ideas related to politics.
Breaking Points and Good Politic Guy
Post 911 Airport Security Update:
The post 911 surveillance state (fusion centers, license scanners, Homeland Security grant money, monitoring of e-mails, text messages, & social media sites, no fly/terror watch lists, tracking of cell phones, best advances in REAL ID and AI technologies, etc.) appears to have played no role in preventing the incident reported below:
The Hill
We did not cut the fern down to the ground in early February this year as we have done in the past.
Looking good.
Visitors over the past 4 years:
Occasional Visitors/Still Looking for Bigfoot
Above created and originally posted by another person, years ago.
By now, some Americans may feel that both major political parties are manipulative and dishonest.
American freedoms may come and go:
Celebrating Opposite Freedoms on the Fourth of July
by Jacob G. Hornberger
May 8, 2026
The Future of Freedom Foundation
Possibly of interest:
National Parks Hospitality & Goodwill Program
Take An Oath To The Constitution
Most And Least Meaningful Federal Holidays
Above: A view from Westport, WA – March, 2025
What’s Going on With Shipping?
Completely Unrelated
Good luck with any plans to get people to comply with a draft:
NBC Bay Area
What makes elected officials believe we have some sort of 1950s crop of citizens now who would comply with a draft?
Has the US ever won an undeclared war using a draft?