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In the news: Huge fee hike for park proposed; National Park Service seeks rise to $70 for one vehicle, one week

Several comments here, saying that parks need to be better about stopping people as they enter these federal lands to verify that the proper day use permits are in hand. Heading out for your picnic might feel something like trying to enter a military base. Washington State Parks are already on to this. They are now in the habit of stopping vehicles at guilty until proven innocent checkpoints to verify that you have purchased what started out to be a parking pass several years ago. Fort Ebey State Park is good for this.

But-what about discrimination?

The federal government is A-OK with dividing people up into groups- then assigning a separate value to each group.

Parking pass for federal lands you paid for the same as the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan:

America the Beautiful Passes

Regular people- $80 annual pass

Military- free

Annual 4th Grade Pass- free

Seniors- $20 Annual Senior Pass

Don’t forget- If you are not headed towards a National Park- but want to make a daytime visit to BLM, U.S. Forest Service, National Park Service, Fish and Wildlife Service, Bureau of Reclamation, or U.S. Army Corps of Engineers lands– you may be asked to pay a fee.

How about an opt in/out pass to pay for decades (The Department of Defense track record goes back to 1949) of undeclared/unwon wars in distant lands?

If people don’t want to show proper support by paying a special fee- above and beyond April 15th federal taxes- then the wars would have to be shut down.

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Wondering if something like 89 cents of each dollar collected for daytime parking fees goes directly towards funding of the manufacturing, installation and maintenance of enforcement related warning signs, kiosks, pay boxes, fluorescent placards, and the manufacturing and distribution of enforcement related literature, blank forms and documentation materials.

Daytime parking pass fees are also used to fund the manufacturing, installation and maintenance of sturdy gates to keep you and your annual parking pass out of selected parks during winter months.

Park shown below (Rosario Beach) is located at sea level.

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Update:

I was contacted by Park Ranger Brett Bayne on July 25th. We had a good talk. He took time to address all of my concerns in this area.

I am satisfied with the information he provided.

 

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Purchase your daytime parking passes in advance. Pull up to the park & get screwed with.

Please tell your friends.

 

Fort Ebey State Park:

Afternoon visit 7/8/16

Midday visit 7/16/16

Entrance coned off to one lane.

Vehicles with Discover Pass & vehicles already checked in- forced to wait behind vehicles registering for camping.

Sort of like checking into a hotel- going out to dinner- then, after dinner- no access to room unless you wait at the desk behind others just arriving to check in.

One reason to purchase a Discover Pass off-site, is to be able to get started on an outing with no hassle.

More here: Taking the fun out of WA State Parks

 

Original intent-

WA State Parks web page:

“Having your annual Discover Pass on board allows you to drive straight to your recreation destination and start enjoying your day right away, with no delays!”

 

Old policy-

People who need to register to camp must stop at the guard shack to sign in & pay.

People who are in the middle of their camping stay & people who have already purchased a valid daytime parking pass use the lane provided to bypass the cars waiting in line to register.

Why did this change? To try and grab more money from anyone who rolls up.

Manchester State Park on Yelp:

“We have been camping here for many years now. It was always such a nice local place to camp at.
It has now become a greedy money making joke. My Dad came to bring me and the kids some more firewood on Friday. They tried hard to charge him $10 to drive to our camp site!
He kindly refused. We had already paid $54 dollars for a non hook up site- 2 nights.”

 

Discover Pass News:

Taxpayers out $45,000 after unlawful arrest and ranger’s excessive use of force.

Possibly related-

State auditor: Fort Flagler sewer project ‘wastes millions’

 

My parent’s generation introduced me to Washington State Parks in the 1970s. Since then- the parks have taken on an authoritarian tone. The feeling is that visitors are treated as guilty until proven innocent. If people are taking axes to trees, or setting picnic tables ablaze- find them & deal with them as individuals. When we rent a slab for the weekend- maybe just leave us alone to come & go as we please. Extra supervision is unwanted.

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Keystone ferry inbound

“Keystone terminal gives way to ‘Coupeville’ ferry”

Coupeville/Penn Cove is on the eastern shore of Whidbey Island- no ferry link to Port Townsend exists there.

 

DSC_0120 Burning Driftwood Saves Trees-

I have seen signs in WA State Parks telling us not to collect and burn driftwood.

If burning driftwood was OK- trees and other natural resources could be saved while reducing pollution at the same time.

Probably the most popular version of firewood for camping comes in the plastic shrink-wrapped bundles.

What is their story?

A big smokey truck drives into the hills to cut trees, at day’s end the truck returns to the firewood bundle processing facility where the wood is cut, split and wrapped in plastic by employees who each drove their own vehicle to the factory to start their shift.

The next day a big truck takes the wood bundles to the big grocery store warehouse facility where the bundles are offloaded by forklift.

The forklift is powered by highly toxic rechargeable lead/acid batteries.

The next day a big truck comes to take the wood bundles to a local grocery store.

The bundles are offloaded by forklift. The next day we are on our way to go camping and stop to buy fire wood.

We load up the wood in our own vehicle, gas up, and head to the park.

The restriction on burning driftwood may have to do with preserving the natural beauty of the beach. Much of the wood on the beach is not from natural sources. It’s there because it got away from commercial operations. Occasionally, it may be a hazard to boaters. Not seeing any problem in burning untreated wood.

It would be helpful to have some written explanation of this policy posted on the State Park’s website and in the parks.

Rules are easier to understand and follow when they include an educational component. Not this time- this is a “Because we said so” rule.

Of course, there is always the option to have no fire at all, but I like having a campfire.

I grew up in Kitsap County in the 60s & 70s. Beach fires were a common thing.

 

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Photo- A piece of firewood that got away and became driftwood.

 

DSC_0301 Update:

I was contacted by Park Ranger Brett Bayne on July 25th. We had a good talk. He took time to address all of my concerns in this area.

I am satisfied with the information he provided.

 

Fort Ebey State Park:

Afternoon visit 7/8/16

Midday visit 7/16/16

Entrance coned off to one lane.

Vehicles with Discover Pass & vehicles already checked in- forced to wait behind vehicles registering for camping.

Sort of like checking into a hotel- going out to dinner- then, after dinner- no access to room unless you wait at the desk behind others just arriving to check in.

One reason to purchase a Discover Pass off-site, is to be able to get started on an outing with no hassle.

 

Original intent:

WA State Parks web page:

“Having your annual Discover Pass on board allows you to drive straight to your recreation destination and start enjoying your day right away, with no delays!”

 

Old policy-

People who need to register to camp must stop at the guard shack to sign in & pay.

People who are in the middle of their camping stay & people who have already purchased a valid daytime parking pass use the lane provided to bypass the cars waiting in line to register.

Why did this change?

 

Original intent:

“There is a 15-minute grace period for a motorist, for example, to park and use a restroom or run an errand.”

“The new rules allow some leeway. At Battle Ground Lake, for example, four 15-minute parking spaces allow visitors to swing in for a bathroom break or to retrieve belongings they left behind. No pass required.”

Looks like this has been phased out. The Discover Pass seems to be more of an access permit than a parking pass now.

 

More here: Taking the fun out of State Parks

My parent’s generation introduced me to Washington State Parks in the 1970s. Since then- the parks have taken on an authoritarian tone. The feeling is that visitors are treated as guilty until proven innocent. If people are taking axes to trees, or setting picnic tables ablaze- find them & deal with them as individuals. When we rent a slab for the weekend- maybe just leave us alone to come & go as we please. Extra supervision is unwanted.

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Welcome Visitors

Rent yourself a State Parks buoy at Fort Worden

Voted best consumer value in weekend recreation.

 

Similar items posted daily on facebook at:

Groupthink Alternative

US Department of Credibility

Newspeople will not question the US Border Patrol at Port Angeles?

Our free and independent press has stopped asking questions.

and Sound of Freedom

Twitter: https://twitter.com/yeomalt

 

 

 

Photo- Sunset at Fort Ebey

Olympic Peninsula in the background

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The welcome mat is out.

 

The federal message:

If you have ever smoked marijuana- you are not welcome here- forever:

“Saunders also said some people who answer honestly a customs officer’s question whether or not they’ve ever smoked marijuana could also be turned away from crossing the border forever, unless they apply for and receive a waiver.”

Washington State border tough on pot, despite new law

Though this is a federal issue- state governors and the senators and congresspeople we send to Washington DC are free to work to influence the federal government in this area.

 

At the state level:

Getting physical over Discover Pass rule costs state $45,000 at Fort Worden State Park

Hurry up and sell another $45,000 worth of Discover Passes and it’s all good.

 

Related-

Taking the fun out of State Parks

 

 

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Mt. Constance from Highway 101 at the Dosewallips River

March, 2012

 

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WA State Parks Revenue Checkpoints

Taking the fun out of WA State Parks

 

Taxpayers out $45,000 in Discover Pass sales-

 

Please visit beautiful Washington State.

Experience the beauty of hot air balloons lifting off near scenic wineries.

Plan your reunion here. Plan your convention here. Travel to spend your money here. Tell your nationwide RV club- this is the perfect destination.

Purchase your daytime parking passes in advance. Pull up to the park & get screwed with.

Please tell your friends.

 

No state money for parks: what next?

 

At Fort Flagler this past weekend- all vehicles had to wait in the camping registration line to show the pass they had already purchased.

 

I submitted a comment on this website (click twice to enlarge)

My comment:

“No delays or waiting in line for those who have a valid Discover Pass?

Not at Fort Flagler this past weekend- all vehicles had to wait in the camping registration line to show the pass they had already purchased.”

The comment was never posted/was screened out by moderators. 24 hours later the page was removed. The page was edited and reposted here.

 

Old policy-

People who need to register to camp must stop at the guard shack to sign in & pay.

People who are in the middle of their camping stay & people who have already purchased a valid daytime parking pass use the lane provided to bypass the cars waiting in line to register.

 

New policy?

Went to visit the park this afternoon- two orange cones were in place blocking off the lane normally used to bypass the camping registration procedure.

Several cars were waiting in the registration line when we arrived. Two or three cars showed up after us to wait in line. A large RV up front went through the complete registration process- was provided with campground maps, rules, etc. Looked like a friendly and unhurried check-in procedure.

The drivers of several cars lost patience and drove around the cones. I decided to wait the 5 or 10 minutes to ask what the new proceedure was all about. I got to the front of the line and found out that all visitors were being stopped on a busy summer afternoon and asked to show papers.

 

I have purchased a State Parks day use pass every year they have been available over the past 10 years or so. Never, before today, have I been stopped at an entrance checkpoint to wait in line to show the pass. Looks like purchasing the pass now means waiting behind others who have showed up to camp for a few days & those who still need to buy a pass- sort of like checking into a motel room- going out to dinner- then returning to stand in line again at the motel desk to prove you have already checked in.

 

Only a portion of Fort Flagler has access controlled by a guard shack. None of Fort Worden is controlled by a checkpoint, so people can find other ways to enter park property if they want to.

 

When the Discover Pass was introduced- it did not seem to be required for a short bathroom break:

“The new rules allow some leeway. At Battle Ground Lake, for example, four 15-minute parking spaces allow visitors to swing in for a bathroom break or to retrieve belongings they left behind. No pass required.”

Looks like part of your 15 minutes will now be used waiting in line to explain yourself at the checkpoint?

 

Maybe the parks are short on staff to check parked cars for valid permits. Maybe they’ll use funds from the new pass to hire more pass checkers and set up new guard shacks and compliance checkpoints.

 

Suggestion- when the cones are blocking the bypass lane at the park entrance- wait in line to enter the park, then park at the guard shack- holding up traffic.

Don’t leave until a supervisor comes down to explain the new policy.

 

Possibly related-

State auditor: Fort Flagler sewer project ‘wastes millions’

 

Observations & possible solutions-

“I went to the driver’s side door to get back into the car but when I tried to close the door the ranger stuck his ticket book in and it got mangled,” Hazelton said. “That set [the park ranger] off. He ripped the door open, took me by the back of my neck, grabbing my hair, and pulled me out, spun me around and forced me to the ground. With his knee in my ear he told me that I was under arrest.”

“Rangers who find a car bearing no Discover Pass will attempt to contact the car’s owner and give him or her the opportunity to purchase either a day-use pass for $10 or a one-year Discover Pass for $30.

If the ranger is unsuccessful, the car will receive a $99 parking citation.”

How bad will the Washington State budget crisis get before people discuss a different way of doing things?

Savings here could have paid for a few parking passes:

State auditor: Fort Flagler sewer project ‘wastes millions’

Possible solutions here

 

Recent crackdowns elsewhere on the Quimper Peninsula-

The scent of marijuana triggers police raid-

“Port Townsend Police raided a house Wednesday morning, and learned by that afternoon the resident apparently had a license to grow medical marijuana.

About 8 a.m. April 11 police raided a home on the 300 block of Hendricks Street after the receiving a tip from passersby that a strong odor was emanating from the residence.”

Possible solutions here

 

Pay to camp here overnight- but don’t get caught drinking a beer during your stay-

Law enforcement resources should be used to go after individuals who are harming others- not for policing arbitrary pre-crime scenarios.

 

 

Photo- early winter morning at Point Wilson, Fort Worden, WA