I have no problem with the US Navy on Whidbey Island.
My view is that military training is appropriately conducted on or near military bases. No problem with hearing jet noise on Whidbey Island.
Please- just don’t BS me.

Petition with 110,000 signed hard copies against U.S. Navy plans delivered to Forest Service office

From comments:

“Just remember, all you folks.from around the globe that signed the petition, without training the United States Armed Forces will not be able to come and save your ass!”


The US is not in the habit of winning wars overseas. It’s been this way for a long time. The Sound of Freedom was nowhere to be found on 911.

Seems like the US has vast holdings in the form of bombing ranges, missile test ranges, federal land appropriate for nuclear weapons testing, etc.

Not sure why the Olympic Peninsula is the most appropriate location for training in CONUS.

A while back- we were told: “Urban training scenarios are not found on military bases, Block said.”

It turns out there are multiple locations on US military bases– set up for this purpose.

Are the training facilities below so specialized that they can not be used for flight training?

Naval Air Facility El Centro

“The combination of unique climate, vast unobstructed desert terrain, limited non-military air traffic and availability of dedicated gunnery and bomb ranges makes Naval Air Facility El Centro an ideal environment for aerial combat maneuvering, air-to-air gunnery, bombing practice, Field Carrier Landing Practice (FCLPs) and low-level helicopter training.”

Yakima Training Center, WA

National Training Center, Fort Irwin

Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center, 29 Palms 

China Lake, Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division 

“China Lake, in California’s Mojave Desert, is home to NAVAIR’s Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division (NAWCWD). Few areas in the world offer such wide variety of geographical features in close proximity…mountains, deserts, canyons, caves and forests. The unencroached air and land ranges at China Lake provide unmatched geographic conditions in which to develop and test weapon systems and explore tactics for desert and mountain environments.”

“China Lake provides efficient deployment of new weapon systems through its collocated laboratories, ranges, weapons test squadrons and the Navy’s Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX-9). The site supports fleet training and tactics development, including major exercises on the Land Range, Superior Valley Tactical Training Range and Electronic Combat Range.”

Barry Goldwater Range Complex

“The range complex is the nation’s second largest military reservation and has been used by military pilots since September 1941.”

White Sands Missile Range


“The Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR), formerly the 98th Range Wing, provides the warfighter a flexible, realistic and multidimensional battle-space to conduct testing tactics development, and advanced training in support of U.S. national interests.”


“The 388th Range Squadron operates and maintains the UTTR. We provide responsive open-air training and test services that support day-to-day training, large force training exercises, and large footprint weapons testing, thus guaranteeing superiority for American’s war fighters and their weapons systems.”


Good local discussion with additional information, viewpoints & several rebuttals to my points in comments here.